"We also think that fatwa issued against Vande Mataram is right because in Islam it is not permitted to worship any other God. Although we love our country but we cannot worship it. Our Prophet has preached us to love our country. We love it," Sajjada Nasheen of Dargahe Ala Hazrat Maulana Subhan Raza Khan said here today.
Similar views were echoed by General Secretary of All India Jamaat Raza Mustafa Maulana Shahabuddin saying that they can not recite Vande Mataram.
"We have reservations on some of its lines which is not in accordance with our religious faith. But it does not mean that we do not love our country. We need no certificate for our patriotism," he added.
About reservation for muslims.... I said it previously and telling it again....It is only recently came in picture, due to political reasons only and was not even asked for....!!!! And moreover NO ONE is working for it or ANY MOVEMENT going on to get that implemented as an standard......
Of course I do not like conversations with FOUL LANGUAGE and ABUSES (those are strictly and only with very close friends of mine in reciprocal way........) in any debate and I truly believe in GIVING RESPECT in order to GAIN RESPECT..... And GRATITUDE'S should never be confused as SLAVERY...... as I am always and will be GRACIOUS towards my country considering it has given me umpteenth of things which can not be counted, but I am not a SLAVE to obey whatever may be said as a sign of my gratitude towards my country........ Hope you understand the "BETWEEN THE LINES" statement..... anyway take care man and it is always nice to have "HEALTHY DEBATE"...... as it keeps you motivated and keep striving for knowing more and in better than before manner...... last but not least I always prefer to quote this "Opinions are like arsshole, everybody has one"........
I mentioned the demolition of Muslim structures in response to your mention of idol breaking as something wonderful, even if that was to counter Madan's statement. I felt a tone of pride in what you wrote about the ancient idol breaking. Both Muslims and Hindus did protest and oppose Babri masjid demolition. Dont take the word 'cry' out if context. In any case it is not something great to feel proud of. Attacking devil stone and idol worship are both symbolic. Those who believe in a devil in a stone, need not ridicule those who believe god in a stone. Both are equally fictitious. I have no other interest in going into devil-stone ritual. I am avoiding reservation issue as it out of scope, but Andhra Pradesh introduced reservation for Muslims and other moniorities. Wherever people are able to advance without crutches, it is welcome. You said "why should it bother any one on planet earth how we follow our faith." Exactly. That is what anyone would say.
My interest in contuinuing this debate is to oppose religious attacks, contribute a dime to peace and amity. When I feel it is futile, I will stop.
Hey Ravish.... I don't give a FLYING F**K over the word KAAFIR and I don't care what you are or anybody else who I am having some sort of debate.... I rather JUDGE a person for his/her INTELLECT and NOT from his FAITH/TRIBE/SKIN COLOR etc..... And TRUST me even before BABRI MOSQUE was demolished, while discussing with my very GOOD HINDU friends I said that it should be demolished..... YOU know why, because MIGHT RULES and when Muslims were in power they destroyed many thing for their own benefits and when "HINDUS HAVING FALSE FEELING OF THEY ARE IN POWER" they should destroy "ANY MOSQUE" they want but should also be willing to have its repercussion in present or FUTURE..... By the way the MOSQUE which was destroyed was no more a MOSQUE in USE and it was rather more like a TEMPLE when it was brought down..... and believe me or not it was the most DAMAGING thing for HINDU BJP party to ever happen.... destroying there ALL PROSPECT of getting in majority to form a government..... NOT NDA.......
And who said "MUSLIMS" are crying or cried any time for any so called "UNJUST" treatment by majority HINDU in India...... Yes of course they DID NOT AGREED on FALSE CLAIMS of being treated JUST or EQUALLY.... gimme a break you know that very well......!!!!!! They never asked for any RESERVATION any where till recently, like SC/ST have...... and what ever educated Muslims you have in current India are all self made hard working deserving candidates from get go..... They came competing in "GENERAL QUOTA" with MAJORITY HINDU's......and All the reservation and QUOTA for muslims is for POLITICS only... as you can see NO MUSLIM organization working towards getting reservation,every one rather sitting and watching if it will "EVER COME"...... so relax dude MUSLIMS do not cry for help.... They simply REFUSE NOT TO DO SOMETHING which is AGAINST there religion..... and they don't hesitate DYING for it.... I hope you agree with it more than me..... I am not telling your religion is BAD or my religion is GOOD..... what I am telling that I am convinced what I am doing and I am happy with my "FAITH"... why should it bother any one on planet earth how we follow our faith..... And CERTAINLY, NO ONE can dictate us to SING A SONG which GOES AGAINST the very FUNDAMENTALS of our religion.... there are many Muslims like Javed Akhtar, Salman Khursheed etc. who are comfortable singing the song and they are singing...... and they are that class of Muslims..... it is same as HINDUS who have no problem eating MEAT..... even beef as well.... but you can not IMPOSE anything to ALL HINDUS or ALL MUSLIMS in a SECULAR. DEMOCRATIC country and it will be highest of STUPIDITY to compare India with ANY MUSLIM RULE countries.... they are "NOT" secular states.... so how can they follow the "SECULAR LAWS".......
About stone throwing to three different piece of stone in Saudia during HAJ... then in gist it is not worshiping but rather HITTING THE DEVIL for trying to MISGUIDE ABRAHAM.....its a long story and some other time.... but it is certainly DENOUNCING THE IDOL WORSHIP and not OTHERWISE as you thought.....!!!!!!
BTW, I am not hurt about some semi-civilised warriors somewhere broke their rival's idols. That was history. Such incidents took place across the world including India. What annoys is that still there are some backward looking people with such fancy ideas in the modern world.
Now, don't attack me about what "your ... religion" did. I don't care. I am a sinner of worst type - a kaafir.
Wonder78, I am responding because the tone of your statement sounded like a threat or destructive wish. If I didnot understand you correctly, please clarify. It is amazing that you are proud that Islam established through tyranny of breaking idols into pieces. Now I visualise a Muslim going around holding a hammer and looking for idols to break. Great! If you have choice, would you wish to do the same now? After reading your piece I feel 'Thank God, they are in minority in India'. But your co religion friends claim brotherhood, tolerance etc. in Islam and quote something like "... to you your religion, to me mine". Is it all false? But in Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia there are Hindu temples without the idols broken.
May be Mr.wonder don't know that we have a national language i.e. Hindi and it was choose based upon the no of states using that rather than no of people speaks thats y the south indians who respects their language and culture objects it. but in every school, office in south india they are singing vandemataram.
the ulemas's clearly wants some publicity that why they are doing these type of henious things and unfortunately our selfish, brainless political leaders supporting them for sake of vote bank. In my opinion in vandemataram we described the country as a woman and mother and in Muslims there is no value for woman and mothers so they are objecting it because there are some urdu shayari's and ghasals praising some great persons. if these mad, brianless ulema's have no objection on that then why they are objecting song of our country.